S2E6: Mastering Collaboration with the Visionary/Integrator™ Relationship | Steve Lawson and Carl Hardee

Rocket Fuel
Rocket Fuel
S2E6: Mastering Collaboration with the Visionary/Integrator™ Relationship | Steve Lawson and Carl Hardee

Share Now:
Listen on:

Steve Lawson and Carl Hardee are experienced real estate entrepreneurs with over 30 years of industry knowledge. Steve, a civil engineer with an MBA degree, serves as the Visionary, while Carl, with his background in leadership and the military, takes on the Integrator role. But they didn’t always call themselves Visionary and Integrator.

Their partnership began over 20 years ago when they realized the complementary nature of their skills. Back then, Steve realized that he could always rely on Carl to help him bring projects to life by doing what was needed. They were like yin and yang.

In this episode, Steve recounts how he learned about EOS® while away on a personal sabbatical. As soon as he went back to work, he introduced it to his team, and they knew it was what the company needed.

Throughout the episode, they discuss their journey, the challenges they’ve faced, and how their collaboration has led to their continued success.

“When we established EOS parameters and guardrails, we stopped looking at everything and focused on what we were good at. Then things really came alive.” — Steve Lawson [10:17]

At the end, dig into the EOS Toolbox™ to explore how the Rocket Fuel Power Index can help build the Visionary/Integrator relationship with the unique strengths and skills of the partnership.

Tune in to gain insights into building a strong Visionary/Integrator relationship and learn how self-awareness can help you become a more effective leader.

Learn More: 

About The Rocket Fuel Podcast

Every outstanding entrepreneurial business has a common element that launched it to success. 

It has a Visionary who sees the big picture, envisions the future, and lives for challenge and risk. It also has an Integrator™, who works behind the scenes executing the business plan and doing the backbreaking work of making the Visionary’s dreams a reality. 

On their own, these two types of leaders have potential, but together they form an essential relationship that propels their business to new heights – we call that Rocket Fuel™. 

Join real and raw conversations with the world’s top entrepreneurial duos as they talk about their journey to getting more of what they want from their business. Hosted by Mark C. Winters, Visionary and co-author of Rocket Fuel. 

About Mark C. Winters

Mark C. Winters is an Expert EOS Implementer™, co-author of Rocket Fuel alongside Gino Wickman, and the Visionary of Rocket Fuel University™. Since age 28, Mark has started, bought, shut down, or sold 14 companies. Today, he spends much of his time helping entrepreneurial leadership teams run on EOS® and has delivered over 700 full-day sessions with companies around the United States. Mark’s talent for introducing the right combination of perspective and process sparks leadership teams to start moving, move faster, or begin moving in the right direction — with clarity. 

Subscribe to the EOS Podcast

Latest Episodes

Subscribe to the EOS Podcast


Base Camp


Client Portal



Search the EOS Worldwide Blog

Skip to content