S1E17: Permission to be Dangerous | Pat Gillespie & Rachel Michaud

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S1E17: Permission to be Dangerous | Pat Gillespie & Rachel Michaud

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When someone recommends a good book, few people read it right away. Rachel Michaud, Integrator™ and vice president of Gillespie Group, is an exception. After two people recommended that she read a book from the EOS® Traction Library, Rachel bought it, breezed through it, and within months the company was running on EOS, full-steam ahead.

Pat Gillespie, the company’s founder, CEO, and Visionary, reflects that EOS described his vision for Gillespie Group to a tee. 

In this episode, Pat and Rachel share highlights of their EOS journey and action steps for becoming an aligned leadership team.

Key Takeaways:

  • It’s healthy to have some conflict with your Visionary or Integrator™ when starting EOS.
  • Take time as a Visionary/Integrator team to build a vision detailing what you want your company to look like.
  • The more aligned you are with your Visionary or Integrator, the more effective you can be.

Some Questions Asked:

  • What were the early days of the EOS journey like for Pat and Rachel?
  • What are some of Pat’s biggest pain points as a Visionary?
  • Why does EOS stress Same Page Meetings™ so much?

Alignment Launches Businesses to New Heights

Pat and Rachel were sold on EOS from the moment they started Gillespie Group on the system. The book Rocket Fuel is what gave them the verbiage and permission they needed to “be dangerous” and grow fast. 

Rachel shares that while there was some conflict between her and Pat during the early days of implementation, they learned that it was ultimately in their favor.

“I think that there has to be healthy tension between a Visionary and an Integrator or else you simply will not move forward… We had to move from a ‘me’ to a ‘we’ mentality.” — Rachel [13:48]

Rachel expands that her and Pat’s thought processes are naturally very different, and the Same Page Meetings have helped them understand each other better and communicate effectively. The pair has found that if you get away from Same Page Meetings, role clarity quickly disintegrates.

“We’ve never had a problem where we know we can’t get on the same page … It’s [ultimately] not about the Visionary or the Integrator … It’s about moving the entire group forward in a professional, positive way.” — Pat [27:28] 

The more alignment there is between Visionary and Integrator, from values to vision to role clarity, the farther your business will go.

If you’re interested in learning how to use the EOS in your business or how to have vulnerable, authentic conversations with your leadership team, don’t miss this episode of Rocket Fuel™. 

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About The Rocket Fuel Podcast

Every outstanding entrepreneurial business has a common element that launched it to success. 

It has a Visionary who sees the big picture, envisions the future, and lives for challenge and risk. It also has an Integrator™, who works behind the scenes executing the business plan and doing the backbreaking work of making the Visionary’s dreams a reality. 

On their own, these two types of leaders have potential, but together they form an essential relationship that propels their business to new heights – we call that Rocket Fuel™. 

Join real and raw conversations with the world’s top entrepreneurial duos as they talk about their journey to getting more of what they want from their business. Hosted by Mark C. Winters, Visionary and co-author of Rocket Fuel. 

About Mark C. Winters

Mark C. Winters is an Expert EOS Implementer™, co-author of Rocket Fuel alongside Gino Wickman, and the Visionary of Rocket Fuel University™. Since age 28, Mark has started, bought, shut down, or sold 14 companies. Today, he spends much of his time helping entrepreneurial leadership teams run on EOS® and has delivered over 700 full-day sessions with companies around the United States. Mark’s talent for introducing the right combination of perspective and process sparks leadership teams to start moving, move faster, or begin moving in the right direction — with clarity. 

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